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Post by The False Prophet on May 29, 2015 3:10:48 GMT
Within the cbox today, a discussion on adding an awards system came up, and you guys wanted to talk about it in a thread where everything could be recorded and written up more in paragraph form, so here we go.
My personal stance on the matter is to add in awards so that the active members would have some say in who some IC prizes (pokemon, items, moveset remakes, evolutions), etc went to, and to encourage people to branch out, plot more, and generally be more active on site instead of me being the only judge of who perks went to. However, it was brought to my attention that a lot of people were not fond of awards systems though, and tended to only participate in voting, not nominations which tended to result in a lot of the same people being nominated and voted for again and again and again, which certainly isn't want we want.
In order to encourage people to nominate others, I'm proposing that if we did go along with this system, as an incentive, people could receive a random item of some sort to choose to give to one of their characters.
Regardless, I wouldn't want to force any sort of system on you guys that you wouldn't like or feel is unfair, so please post your opinions on the matter here, along with any ideas you have on the matter to improve this system, replace it, etc. |
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Post by Procne Agnes on May 29, 2015 3:18:54 GMT
Okay, I'm gonna be totally honest here.
I've seen nothing from awards systems but backfires and bitterness. On the forums I've been to that have involved them, I've seen people who grow very bitter or sometimes even flip out entirely if they don't win one. Adding onto that, I've also had the experience of seeing very few nominations or even the same exact ones constantly. And it almost always devolved into some form of circle-jerking and other bullcrap. People voting for others just because it's people they knew or just liked the FC of a character, or other such things. There's lots of issues with the system and it seems like I've encountered most of them.
So I'm sorry to say, but I'm very definitely on the jaded side of things on this one and would genuinely discourage the concept. Nonetheless, if it's decided to be enacted upon, I'll accept the decision. I do want to believe this board won't fall into the same sort of total crap that I've seen elsewhere. Far as awards for actually nominating people, that could actually result in a lot of excess and people doing it JUST for the items as well without giving actual care or thought in their nominations.
Honestly, I just don't want to see any bitterness tearing the forum apart because of the awards. That's my main worry here. I've seen whole places fall apart after the first round of voting and then declaring winners. It's not a pleasant sight.
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Post by Philomela Agnes on May 29, 2015 3:29:17 GMT
I'm well aware of the general reasoning and rationale behind wanting to introduce an awards system. It's a site-wide opportunity for the community to come together and nominate/vote on who they think has a best character, thread, or has formed most amusing relationships in the RP, or whatever. It's meant to promote a positive culture and to promote better relations between users. However in my prior experience a lot of the time this hasn't happened. Regardless of how people nominate, everyone has got their own criteria as to why they think X person deserves a nomination or a vote. But to contextualize my stance I'd like to talk about my past experiences with award systems and "X of the Month" contests.
In the past, I was very optimistic about such things. I took extensive time to make my personal judgments and avoided personal bias by including candidates who I may not have RPed with very much especially if they had interesting characters or plots that I wanted to follow or involve myself in. But I was only one person. Most of the time, though my nominations would go in, they would never get the votes I felt they deserved because usually only a handful of people (typically from the same group of 'popular' users who domineered the shoutbox or Cbox) battled for top spot. While there was no smear campaigning or anything outwardly toxic, it became eventually painfully obvious that people were only voting for who they liked, and did not necessarily adhere to any proper standard.
Voting for the Character of the Month became an exercise in "who, at this point in time, is most popular user with X attractive character?" instead of "who, at this point in time, has the most well-written or most engaging or most <good quality> character?" Keep in mind, during these times, winners of the contests didn't even get rewards or perks, they just got bragging rights such as a nice custom title or user group declaring them as "Character/Member/whatever" of the month. I was pretty ticked off by this. Actually I was very ticked off by this. In part because a lot of people I felt didn't get votes I thought really deserved them, but also because, I shamefully admit, that people ignored me despite the fact that in a lot of these communities I was trying pretty hard to get involved in everything and trying to help create a colorful world. But of course I'm garbage so nobody even bothers to consider me.
I really don't want to assume that the same would happen here because you're all wonderful and kind people. But I don't want to assume that the same just wouldn't happen here either. People have their own biases and their own criteria that they would subconsciously follow. Whether they're actual standards or not I couldn't ever say nor impose any judgment on it. I hope just as much as everyone else that people will be chill about it. But people have a striking tendency towards treating these contests as an e-peen measuring contest, not about rewarding the people who actually work hard and try to color the world their characters are in. On top of this, trying to provide incentives for voting would promote the exact opposite - people would most likely do throwaway votes for perks, which would further perpetuate the culture of popularity contests, which tend to be very polarizing - people who do not win become very bitter and angry, people who win get their egos stroked and feel like winners.
It's pretty toxic based from my past experiences and I would love to be proven wrong.
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Post by Bernard Goldsmith on May 29, 2015 3:30:30 GMT
I'm for it, personally and for plot purposes.
On the issue of voting incentive:
I know in the games, there were mini-items that, after you gathered enough, you could turn them into to receive a better item. Maybe we could have that as the reward? If the voting's monthly and items are supposed to be rare, then constantly giving out even little things like potions is going to add up for simply voting. I think, anyway, I'm not sure how anyone else thinks that would reflect on the IC economy; then again, it might balance out if it's given per player per voting session and they can only give it to one of their characters.
Anyway, with the token/build up idea, if people have a vote on a subject they're well informed on, they have all the more incentive to vote. If not, they're missing a single token, not an entire item. Also, it could be a way to balance things out and reward loyal members who otherwise might not get spotlight. If they're voting every time, their points or whatever could get turned in for prizes they would receive anyway.
Now, keeping up with all of this would be another affair all together. I think a tally board somewhere would be good, but again I'm just throwing out ideas.
My only concerns for the actual prizes would be how they're handled and how often these awards are given out. Also, categories is something I'm interested to hear about.
... i'm trying to speak properly so you'll all know i'm being serious but at the same time i hope this doesn't come across hard assed
EDIT; im always lagging wtf
since people brought up a note on the throwaway votes, maybe everyone saying a short sentence or two on why they're nominating someone would help? likewise for voting. if you haven't got a reason, dont vote.
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Post by Athena Delacroix on May 29, 2015 4:11:46 GMT
I'm for it, personally and for plot purposes. While I won't mind if we do, it should very definitely not have anything to do with the actual plot of the site. That's just asking for large amounts of trouble and will only inspire more bitterness if that sort of thing starts getting thrown around. That still runs the risk of people just casting throw away nominations/votes to get a free item. We don't really have an IC economy since there's no monetary store for this board. So long as people get something, there'll always be the ones that don't have any real incentive except that. And when if you're introducing a way for particular people to get a better chance, then that's the same as the favoritism and circle-jerking that tends to generate from these sorts of things. While I doubt it'd get that bad here, it's still a blatant way to give people a leg up against others. See, that doesn't prevent them though. People could easily bs a line or two to get around that. |
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Post by Daemones Amor on May 29, 2015 4:20:43 GMT
Yes, I am also against it, but apparently Procne is the most accurate with why I am against it. So my vote is to honestly not do it all for I've been apart of those types of sites where people usually "circle-jerk" one another because of either face claim or OOC Popularity because "ohey I know you so Im'ma vote for you because you not only asked me to privately but because I know you," and honestly it led to a lot of bitterness and drama and no one has time for that honestly because we all come here to role-play, not create a circle out-casting other people just because we didn't want to get to know those people or their plots/characters. So once again I go with a no on this, but I really don't care because I don't like ruining fun for other people, so if many people wanna do this then hey go for it, if not then don't. At the end of the day we're all equals~! <3
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Post by The False Prophet on May 29, 2015 4:44:19 GMT
Honestly, I've never seen any of the bitterness that any of you are talking about. On all of the sites that I've been on, OTMs have always been hilarious and regarded as something akin to those throw away awards you give to small children. Just sort of "GOOD JOB" "GOLD STAR" "HIGH5" stickers, honestly. Once an enemies of the month nomination was "<a blind character> & Moved Furniture" and a couple of the month was "<character> & Food". Taken with a grain of salt, and generally just done because why not. While an incentive might make it a bit more serious, I have a feeling that because of how much you guys are about this "circle-jerking" phenomena that seems to have happened on other sites, that you wouldn't perpetuate it.
Of the months definitely would not have anything to do with the site plot, so no need to worry about that, though I would like to give people who win it some sort of prize, seeing as a lot of things are so scarce in site canon, which would give them a slight advantage. I don't feel like it would be that much.
As for the token idea that Croc posted, I personally like that idea. It encourages nominations so that there's more people to vote for once nominations go through, but it's not a big enough reward that it would effect how things like "potions" are viewed as rare on site and a lot of people who genuinely aren't interested in nominations won't really feel that they're missing out on something. After all, it's a piece of an item, just like how a lot of people dub pennies as useless even if they can be exchanged more influential amounts of money.
These prizes would probably be given out once a month, though I haven't decided what I want to actually give out as an award for winning them. Trying to avoid having pokemon too easy to actually obtain on here. And categories would probably be something like Male, Female, Couple, Empire, Spectre, Enemies, and Thread otm. I'm a bit hesitant to do thread of the month though, because I don't know how often people actually stalk other people's threads, particularly if it's enough to actually worth having an award for. I'd definitely need a paragraph or so on who you're nominating though, as the reason behind it. I don't just take names, because that could easily turn into some sort of popularity contest, which isn't what I want. I just want to give you guys some sort of say in who's getting what.
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Post by Crystal on May 29, 2015 4:54:59 GMT
It isn't asking for any trouble at all if everyone's focused on the actual roleplay. If so-and-so gets an alakazam because they were the most active member that month and that happens to cause in-character problems, then we'd better get to plotting and planning. There's no need to get bitter over a new direction.
How big do you think that risk actually is? Don't talk about other boards. We're talking about what would happen on this board here. How many members on here, myself included since I'm not above critique, do you think would make a throwaway vote for a free item?
My apologizes. I should have clarified that I mean the in-character setting's economy. Pokemon are supposed to be a rarity to own, after all, as are items associated with them.
Again, who here is going to do that? Punish individual members, not whole groups. Communication and active engagement with each other and our staff (the never ending storm of PMs rains upon the False Prophet once more) is key.
And, it's really not? How is rewarding someone for bothering to keep up with the site even if it's for their "own" benefit the same as choosing one's friends over a stranger. Furthermore, I still feel there's nothing wrong with a leg up to characters. We could easily have a rule brought in that says "if you've been nominated however often, you can't be nominated again for a while", or at least have it go into effect if they win.
I don't know, I just don't see the favoritism thing happening that severely. Every site I've seen it happen on was very, very old and thus all the truly active (typically senior) members were wary of new members who often had a high ditch rate. I'm not saying your experiences are invalid since I know that sort of thing can happen, but I feel like it's a little more complex socially and logistically than just circle-jerking.
Then let them? It'll be pretty easy to find sloppy people, and if someone's putting in enough work for an item that they seem genuine, let them have it? Like, if Johnny 2x4 writes two sentences on why Mega Awesome Thread 300 is his favorite of the month for an item, go for it? Do you think a paragraph would stop them? Probably not, it'd only seem nitpicky to people who just want to have fun.
edit; [anguishes screaming because LAG. LAG LAG LAG LAG]
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Post by Seth Kavanaugh on May 29, 2015 5:06:03 GMT
Everyone is taking this way too seriously. It would be a fun way to get some awards and recognize especially active or skilled RPers. The site is literally only seven days old, so of course there's not much of an 'economy'--we haven't even gotten through the first phase of the first event that would earn us awards. Speaking of that event, all of the awards are for fair and creative reasons, giving lots of people the opportunity to win something if they work hard enough.
I really doubt the 'circle-jerking' would be an issue. If you want the award, work for it! Get your character out there and plot and RP with as many people as you can. This would have many benefits along with making your character more deserving of the reward. One of the spots could even be fore something like most active character, something that is completely objective. And have you met Pyro? She is so attentive and helpful and has been doing her godsdamn best with this site completely on her own--and it's been going pretty damn well. Were there to be an issues, I am sure she would handle them, even going so far as to shut down the of-the-months if it really got that bad. She doesn't nothing but promote a good environment on this site, and regular awards for exemplary RPers and characters is just one example of that.
Another simple solution would be to disallow winning more than one award in however much time. I'm sure it would be policed enough to prevent the same people winning repetitively.
As for plot and IC influences, who wouldn't want more Pokemon? Some people start off with 1 or fewer, the canons being the largest except to this. Through events, more will be given out and possibly even moved between characters. The site kicked off with two events, one of which lasts for an entire month. Despite the many rewards given out for this event, it seems stingy not to have other places where you can earn similar things. G&G has been up for a week and we already have dozens of members; I support having more opportunities to bolster their characters like this.
Like absolutely everything else on this site participation wise, these would be optional. You do not have to nominate, vote, or run or whatever else the system may entail if you do not want to. In my own experience, things like this have not been a big deal. It's equivalent to those trophies in elementary school for "Most Courteous Five-Year-Old"--they're not a big deal, except you get, like, candy with your gold star sticker. You have all been saying how much you love this site and community, so you should trust Pyro to continue to make a place like that.
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Post by Athena Delacroix on May 29, 2015 5:16:09 GMT
It isn't asking for any trouble at all if everyone's focused on the actual roleplay. If so-and-so gets an alakazam because they were the most active member that month and that happens to cause in-character problems, then we'd better get to plotting and planning. There's no need to get bitter over a new direction. When you said plot, I believed you had meant like the actual site plot. And that's something that should definitely be left alone to the devices of the Event threads. It was my misunderstanding there. That's just it. I don't really know many people here. How many people do you think would make a throwaway vote? Do you know that every person who'd join from here to then won't make one? I'll admit I'm not sure, but are you so sure yourself? See, I'm not even sure how that IS working. It's just like no one can get anything except by Events anyways. And this is basically just one more Event, even if it's not the same as the rest. What happens if someone is successfully nominated and then voted the winner in more than one category? Should they only get one Pokemon and the rest not matter or should they get all two/three/however many Pokemon for the number of categories they won? And if you only make a person nominatable once per category, you may quickly run out of actual decent nominations. That same person you're voting as best Male/Female/Imperial/Spectre may also be partly responsible for your favorite thread too. But it IS whole groups of people that do these things. How can we not have that same communication and engagement without the Awards? What makes them so important that they MUST be there for the sake of communication? How are they that important for people talking to each other? While the latter will suffice, how many times is "often"? Once? Twice? And giving a leg up to people is exactly what I mean about the issues of the circle-jerks. You have no reason to care about X because they've never voted before, but oh look how many times Y has voted. He totally deserves it more, right? On the sites I've been on where it's occurred, I've seen it happen to both old and new sites. I've seen whole places not get a chance to even really get off the ground before bitterness over Awards has caused everyone to fight, create drama, and then bail just as quickly as they joined, not to mention scare off any potential new members. I... don't get what you're arguing against? You suggested a way to stop people and I said it wouldn't work, so now you're saying that it doesn't matter anyways? I'm just trying to figure out what you mean here because I'm kinda not sure. |
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Post by Athena Delacroix on May 29, 2015 5:24:41 GMT
I respect that nothing terrible has occurred in both of your experiences, but I also ask that you respect our own experiences with these matters as well.
What if we have prizes? By saying "Hey just don't do it", are you telling people to ignore one of the few chances they have at actually getting a Pokemon when we can ONLY get them by Events in the first place? It'd be one thing if there were no actual prizes, but that could still result in bloated heads and egos. By rewarding Pokemon as well, that means it becomes one of the ONLY RELIABLE WAYS to try and obtain one when it's already extremely heavily regulated. Then you can't ignore it at all because hey, there's one of the few chances at getting one.
I've seen these things taken extremely seriously and I've seen how people react to them. Some people can have fun with it and just joke around, but you can't ignore the type who do take it seriously. They'll let you know when they're upset by losing. And just because we would not perpetuate the phenomenon we witnessed, does that mean other people won't in time? As my post to Crystal said, none of us can be sure who will or won't join and we can't say whether they'll take it jokingly or seriously. I freely admit I probably am over worrying, but I also put forth that I'm worrying because I truly do not want to see this one little thing tear apart people.
Again, I do respect your own experiences. Just please do not dismiss mine because they seem paranoid. And I'm not saying you are, but I have seen admins that do ignore people saying it's a bad idea before.
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Post by Crystal on May 29, 2015 5:42:22 GMT
When you said plot, I believed you had meant like the actual site plot. And that's something that should definitely be left alone to the devices of the Event threads. It was my misunderstanding there.
It was mutual. No harm, no foul, right?
See, I'm not even sure how that IS working. It's just like no one can get anything except by Events anyways. And this is basically just one more Event, even if it's not the same as the rest. What happens if someone is successfully nominated and then voted the winner in more than one category? Should they only get one Pokemon and the rest not matter or should they get all two/three/however many Pokemon for the number of categories they won? And if you only make a person nominatable once per category, you may quickly run out of actual decent nominations. That same person you're voting as best Male/Female/Imperial/Spectre may also be partly responsible for your favorite thread too.
We cross that bridge when we get there? I mean, if they wait to set precedents in courts of law, I don't see why it's not appropriate to have lenient rules with this until there's a need to give exact statements. Plus if the rest of us are so sloppy and pitiful that only one person is winning in every category, we all need to step up our game.
It'd be really easy to solve the problem of someone winning multiple categories. Since they're apparently on their A-game, spice up a single prie a little by bumping it up. If the regular prize was a random pokemon with random moveset (and I'm not sure if abilities are preset or not on Event pokemon) let them get a bonus by picking typing, a move on the random pokemon, or the pokemon itself and everything else be random? I don't know. That can be sorted out as the need arises.
But it IS whole groups of people that do these things. How can we not have that same communication and engagement without the Awards? What makes them so important that they MUST be there for the sake of communication? How are they that important for people talking to each other?
If it's site-wide groups of people, there's a really simple solution: leave the site. If it's a big group the site won't punish: leave the site. If it's a big enough group to be an issue but not big enough to ruin things: avoid roleplaying with them.
And, I never said they were necessary for communication??? Or, if it seemed that way, it was poor wording. I'm pretty sure the statement was that Awards go well WITH communication and engagement and that they encourage it.
I'm just thinking it'll give people new chances. Maybe So-and-So knows their character X isn't going to be Event prominent or they want to build them up before the next Event. They can work with This One so that they both benefit with fun plots and their characters getting bonuses.
They're not vital, just a bonus.
Often is often enough that it's a problem. I'm not being sassy or anything with that, it's like adjusting a thermostat. Change it to suit the problem.
I don't see how that's circle-jerking at all? That's rewarding loyalty. It is a good thing to reward loyalty. Of course a newbie isn't going to get the same status as someone who's proven they're committed to the site. That's how things generally work. But, I don't think it's going to be extreme or anything.
So, like, I'm trying to find a way to word this without coming across rudely, but instead of asking people to act maturely, we should just take away extras? Like if we don't get the OTM stuff that's fine, I've never been nominated, I don't really care, it's just fun to read the suggested threads and it inspires me to work harder on my characters. It's probably just me personally, but if people get that bitter that easily, I'd rather not get invested in them. Let this weed them out.
I only suggested it because someone said people would just randomly suggest something for the vote. In much the same way a parent offers a child a nightlight to scare of monsters, I offered that to pacify the need to give a test. I'm not arguing for or against the paragraph test; it's my fault for offering something I don't really care about. I'm only offering it so people don't feel like there's freebies or something.
But, to clarify my position, in case you're still not sure: Have some faith.
Since I'm 99% sure there's someone posting before me, note that this probably doesn't make full sense in its position.
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Post by Sion Orzora on May 29, 2015 5:43:17 GMT
I'm pretty much totally for this. I think people are just kinda.. taking this a bit too seriously? It's just another fun little thing to spice things up on the boards. Like who cares if the same people keep getting nominated? Are you really that concerned about a little blurb and a lil prize? I mean I don't really see the people here forming some kinda """inclusive clique" "" or anything anyway tbh, but if people get nominated for any reason then just let them enjoy it u feel me?
Like you gotta understand that bringing negativity around some silly fun little activity is the reason these things end up going sour in the first place. If you just treat it as a silly fun activity then that's what it's going to be. No reason to get so worked up about it! Just sit back and have fun roleplaying with ur fellow nerds. And if one nerd gets a lil bonus treat and a shoutout for being a nerd then hell yeah! Go them!
Like this is coming from someone who regularly throws in-game monies at the groups I'm responsible for/a part of in order to let these types of fun lil things happen. And I've never seen them go sour because all of us treat it as a fun lil thing. Even when new people are involved. One of our newest members on my gw2 guild won a shit-ton of gold last week from the pot we'd all participated in filling, and you can bet we all congratulated him and poked fun about what he was gonna buy.
And this wouldn't even be winning something that big. So I honestly just don't see the big deal, I guess?
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Post by Philomela Agnes on May 29, 2015 5:55:54 GMT
This thread was a reason for everyone to put forth their own opinions and to have civil discussion on something that appears to be rather polarizing in its very nature. Admittedly, it seems more people here have had pleasant experiences with the whole thing and that's wonderful. I'm happy. But that doesn't suddenly invalidate our own concerns, no matter how melodramatic we're talking about it. I'm talking as one of those people who used to take this kind of contest incredibly seriously. No one here knew me before when I was actively taking part in trying to be part of these kinds of contests, so nobody here can vouch for the authenticity of my claims. But I was really just as active as anybody else who happened to be voted at the time. Favoritism is something that naturally rears its ugly head as time goes on. Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong and everybody treats this thing as it should be - a fun community-wide event. It's not like a raffle or something, where everyone has an equal chance to win, and we congratulate the winner because he or she was lucky.
I started getting worked up about the activity the moment it was obvious to me that people were sidelining me and other amazing posters in favor of a specific clique. That's what I'm afraid of the most. No one's saying it's definitely going to happen here. But it could. Which is what I'm trying to say. The crux of my argument is that "bonuses" that should be given to those deserving of the bonuses are rather given to those who are arbitrarily popular and may or may not necessarily be deserving of such bonus. Again, I'd love to be proven wrong but that's where the majority of my concern lies. I don't want to give off the impression that I'm spreading doom and gloom. I'm just explaining why I'm averse to such contests. I am NOT against implementation of such contests. That is up to the administration and staff to decide, and I will fully respect the final decision made.
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Post by Athena Delacroix on May 29, 2015 6:02:01 GMT
Okay, this is my very final post in here to address something that came to my mind after I read about all the non-serious funny and whacky nominations and how super great they were. I've got nothing against taht sort of nomination, but then I read Trance's post again. Voting for the Character of the Month became an exercise in "who, at this point in time, is most popular user with X attractive character?" instead of "who, at this point in time, has the most well-written or most engaging or most <good quality> character?" Keep in mind, during these times, winners of the contests didn't even get rewards or perks, they just got bragging rights such as a nice custom title or user group declaring them as "Character/Member/whatever" of the month. I was pretty ticked off by this. Actually I was very ticked off by this. In part because a lot of people I felt didn't get votes I thought really deserved them, but also because, I shamefully admit, that people ignored me despite the fact that in a lot of these communities I was trying pretty hard to get involved in everything and trying to help create a colorful world. But of course I'm garbage so nobody even bothers to consider me. Consider the following: Several people nominate serious nominees they genuinely feel did the best job. They felt genuinely invested and wanted to know more about these characters they nominated. And then just one person submits a joke entry. Now for the sake of the example, let's say this one joke entry did sweep the vote and somehow take the prize because everyone just thought it was so funny. What is more important on a scale of recognition? Acknowledging the hard work of someone who put a great amount of time and dedication to making their character so captivating and endearing? Or laughing over how a guy told his donut he loved it before eating it? Where is the line? And with that, I bow out of this thread and I will leave the decision in the hands of Pyro. I've said all that I've had to say on the matter and I thank everyone's indulgence for my worries thus far. Whatever does happen, I truly hope it's for the best. I hope that this debate itself does not herald any kind of tension in the future involving these. |
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